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# The Good Oil Podcast – Episode 34 – Billy Brown
- URL: https://goodoil.news/the-good-oil-podcast-episode-34-billy-brown/
- Published: 2026-06-01T20:00:52.000Z
- Updated: 2026-06-01T20:00:51.000Z
- Description: “The only person who’s going to save you is yourself” – Billy Brown on meritocracy, iwi elites and why New Zealand needs to start digging.
- Author: Cam Slater
- Tags: Podcasts, NZ Politics, Election 2026

Billy Brown is a Māori/Moriori man from North Canterbury who left school at 13 with dyslexia and built himself from the ground up on pure work ethic and accountability.

In a wide-ranging conversation, he argues that New Zealand is a genuine meritocracy – not a racist country – and that the biggest thing holding Māori back in 2026 isn’t colonisation: it’s the victim politics of Te Pāti Māori and a welfare mentality that replaces personal responsibility with grievance.

He calls out iwi elites extracting hundreds of millions in “taniwha tax’ from mining and infrastructure projects as extortion, argues National and Labour are functionally identical managers of managed decline, backs New Zealand First as the only real alternative and makes the case for unlocking New Zealand’s coal, oil, gas and rare earth resources to fire up the economy.

He closes with a practical environmental agenda – clean waterways over net zero – and a vision of a unified, prosperous New Zealand where Māori and non-Māori thrive together.

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CHAPTER TIMINGS  
00:02:00 Prosperous NZ – good for Māori  
00:03:14 Background – dyslexia, left school at 13  
00:04:29 Upbringing in Kaiapoi  
00:05:31 His father’s work ethic  
00:07:25 The only person who will save you is yourself  
00:08:52 Free speech – it’s not 2020 any more  
00:09:22 Racist abuse from Māori toward Māori  
00:11:22 Is NZ racist? Two Māori deputy PMs  
00:12:39 The only thing holding Māori back is themselves  
00:13:02 Te Pāti Māori’s victim business model  
00:15:02 Leadership is sitting at the table  
00:15:45 The Treaty – three articles, no principles  
00:16:58 Property rights vs holding NZ to ransom  
00:17:16 The taniwha tax – $350M, $150M, $100M  
00:18:46 Billy T James was ahead of his time  
00:20:07 Ngāi Tahu – settlement should draw a line  
00:21:14 Santana mine – opposed only when demands weren’t met  
00:23:09 If it’s so tapu why is it $150M?  
00:24:01 Extortion is extortion  
00:25:01 Better model: royalties, equity, labour hire  
00:25:43 Sealord – are Māori on the boats?  
00:26:41 Iwi corporates – no long-term people plan  
00:28:09 Hapū farm – gates used as hāngī pits  
00:30:51 Moriori — not Māori, completely different  
00:31:45 1835 – stolen ship, genocide at the Chathams  
00:33:05 Rewriting Moriori history  
00:33:22 Māori are not indigenous  
00:34:26 Cultural evolution – can’t be stuck  
00:37:12 We’re just Kiwis  
00:37:20 Coming back after Covid – a divided country  
00:39:22 National and Labour – a tissue’s worth of difference  
00:40:07 Labour has abused Māori votes for 100 years  
00:41:02 Ardern split the country  
00:41:39 Why Billy backed NZ First  
00:41:54 NZF at 20 per cent changes everything  
00:42:25 National’s hatred of Peters – 30 years in the DNA  
00:42:51 National manages the decline, nothing more  
00:43:15 Dig the coal  
00:43:36 Waitaha Dam – the treaty or the frog?  
00:47:58 Electrify everything, build nothing – Green hypocrisy  
00:48:28 EVs – expensive, grid can't cope  
00:49:47 NI-SI cable at capacity – $2B to fix  
00:50:19 EVs export our problems overseas  
00:50:55 Ditch net zero – dig oil, gas, rare earths  
00:51:16 Real wins: clean water, ban microplastics  
00:52:05 Lake Rotorua nitrates – a fixable problem  
00:53:14 Not feeling good. Feeling smug.  
00:53:27 Who votes Green?  
00:53:48 NZ was an economic powerhouse in the ’50s  
00:55:08 Kiwi innovation killed by red tape  
00:55:26 Road cones – 15 per cent of a tender is compliance  
00:56:36 Whangaparāoa tollway: six years for five km  
00:57:05 Oteha Valley busway – moved the bottleneck four km  
00:58:32 Think 12–24 years, not election cycles  
00:59:06 Think Big – all opposed, all essential  
00:59:41 Without Think Big: $10 a litre  
01:00:31 NZ’s Pacific footprint – stop lecturing  
01:01:01 China filling the vacuum  
01:03:29 Bainimarama – NZ boycotted, China moved in  
01:06:28 Fiji’s income: remittances and UN soldiers  
01:15:06 One nation, one people  
01:16:40 Frank’s downfall – AG corruption  
01:18:55 Should NZ become a republic?  
01:19:42 The Treaty blocks a republic  
01:20:21 Bill of Rights should be primary legislation  
01:21:01 Another Covid inquiry won’t get anywhere  
01:21:47 River of filth – we remember  
01:22:00 We’re changing managers, not government  
01:22:44 The blob in action: the vape ban  
01:25:08 Drain the swamp or nothing changes  
01:25:54 Ministers need to appoint and sack  
01:26:28 The mandarins – never held accountable  
01:27:35 Willis’s advisors were Robertson’s advisors  
01:28:57 The PSA – two messages, one Labour candidate  
01:29:50 Labour: 40,000 more civil servants, worse services  
01:30:20 Whānau Ora – Maori health didn’t improve  
01:30:52 Cigars, nicotine, strong men  
01:31:38 Strong men, strong families, strong economy  
01:32:27 Labour tells Māori they’re feeble  
01:33:40 National: remove Māori seats and I’ll lose mine  
01:35:02 Labour now represents elites, not workers  
01:35:29 Winston rode a horse to school. Hipkins went to Wellington.  
01:36:12 Everyday Kiwis back in parliament  
01:38:12 Luxon – rehearsed, empty  
01:39:30 Plain speakers not riddle speakers  
01:40:38 Fixing it for your grandkids