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Billy Brown is a Māori/Moriori man from North Canterbury who left school at 13 with dyslexia and built himself from the ground up on pure work ethic and accountability.
In a wide-ranging conversation, he argues that New Zealand is a genuine meritocracy – not a racist country – and that the biggest thing holding Māori back in 2026 isn’t colonisation: it’s the victim politics of Te Pāti Māori and a welfare mentality that replaces personal responsibility with grievance.
He calls out iwi elites extracting hundreds of millions in “taniwha tax’ from mining and infrastructure projects as extortion, argues National and Labour are functionally identical managers of managed decline, backs New Zealand First as the only real alternative and makes the case for unlocking New Zealand’s coal, oil, gas and rare earth resources to fire up the economy.
He closes with a practical environmental agenda – clean waterways over net zero – and a vision of a unified, prosperous New Zealand where Māori and non-Māori thrive together.
CHAPTER TIMINGS
00:02:00 Prosperous NZ – good for Māori
00:03:14 Background – dyslexia, left school at 13
00:04:29 Upbringing in Kaiapoi
00:05:31 His father’s work ethic
00:07:25 The only person who will save you is yourself
00:08:52 Free speech – it’s not 2020 any more
00:09:22 Racist abuse from Māori toward Māori
00:11:22 Is NZ racist? Two Māori deputy PMs
00:12:39 The only thing holding Māori back is themselves
00:13:02 Te Pāti Māori’s victim business model
00:15:02 Leadership is sitting at the table
00:15:45 The Treaty – three articles, no principles
00:16:58 Property rights vs holding NZ to ransom
00:17:16 The taniwha tax – $350M, $150M, $100M
00:18:46 Billy T James was ahead of his time
00:20:07 Ngāi Tahu – settlement should draw a line
00:21:14 Santana mine – opposed only when demands weren’t met
00:23:09 If it’s so tapu why is it $150M?
00:24:01 Extortion is extortion
00:25:01 Better model: royalties, equity, labour hire
00:25:43 Sealord – are Māori on the boats?
00:26:41 Iwi corporates – no long-term people plan
00:28:09 Hapū farm – gates used as hāngī pits
00:30:51 Moriori — not Māori, completely different
00:31:45 1835 – stolen ship, genocide at the Chathams
00:33:05 Rewriting Moriori history
00:33:22 Māori are not indigenous
00:34:26 Cultural evolution – can’t be stuck
00:37:12 We’re just Kiwis
00:37:20 Coming back after Covid – a divided country
00:39:22 National and Labour – a tissue’s worth of difference
00:40:07 Labour has abused Māori votes for 100 years
00:41:02 Ardern split the country
00:41:39 Why Billy backed NZ First
00:41:54 NZF at 20 per cent changes everything
00:42:25 National’s hatred of Peters – 30 years in the DNA
00:42:51 National manages the decline, nothing more
00:43:15 Dig the coal
00:43:36 Waitaha Dam – the treaty or the frog?
00:47:58 Electrify everything, build nothing – Green hypocrisy
00:48:28 EVs – expensive, grid can't cope
00:49:47 NI-SI cable at capacity – $2B to fix
00:50:19 EVs export our problems overseas
00:50:55 Ditch net zero – dig oil, gas, rare earths
00:51:16 Real wins: clean water, ban microplastics
00:52:05 Lake Rotorua nitrates – a fixable problem
00:53:14 Not feeling good. Feeling smug.
00:53:27 Who votes Green?
00:53:48 NZ was an economic powerhouse in the ’50s
00:55:08 Kiwi innovation killed by red tape
00:55:26 Road cones – 15 per cent of a tender is compliance
00:56:36 Whangaparāoa tollway: six years for five km
00:57:05 Oteha Valley busway – moved the bottleneck four km
00:58:32 Think 12–24 years, not election cycles
00:59:06 Think Big – all opposed, all essential
00:59:41 Without Think Big: $10 a litre
01:00:31 NZ’s Pacific footprint – stop lecturing
01:01:01 China filling the vacuum
01:03:29 Bainimarama – NZ boycotted, China moved in
01:06:28 Fiji’s income: remittances and UN soldiers
01:15:06 One nation, one people
01:16:40 Frank’s downfall – AG corruption
01:18:55 Should NZ become a republic?
01:19:42 The Treaty blocks a republic
01:20:21 Bill of Rights should be primary legislation
01:21:01 Another Covid inquiry won’t get anywhere
01:21:47 River of filth – we remember
01:22:00 We’re changing managers, not government
01:22:44 The blob in action: the vape ban
01:25:08 Drain the swamp or nothing changes
01:25:54 Ministers need to appoint and sack
01:26:28 The mandarins – never held accountable
01:27:35 Willis’s advisors were Robertson’s advisors
01:28:57 The PSA – two messages, one Labour candidate
01:29:50 Labour: 40,000 more civil servants, worse services
01:30:20 Whānau Ora – Maori health didn’t improve
01:30:52 Cigars, nicotine, strong men
01:31:38 Strong men, strong families, strong economy
01:32:27 Labour tells Māori they’re feeble
01:33:40 National: remove Māori seats and I’ll lose mine
01:35:02 Labour now represents elites, not workers
01:35:29 Winston rode a horse to school. Hipkins went to Wellington.
01:36:12 Everyday Kiwis back in parliament
01:38:12 Luxon – rehearsed, empty
01:39:30 Plain speakers not riddle speakers
01:40:38 Fixing it for your grandkids
